Wikipedysta:Piotrus/Piaskownica

Playing with numbers

Notes:

1. ) Voting is evil... but it helps to know where the majority lies :)
2. ) Votes by Piotrus or Ghirla not counted
3. ) If Piotrus objected or Ghirla supported a statement, it's 'Ghirla support', and vice versa
4. ) Neutrals, roughly, are those who blame both sides equally.
5. ) Votes by users who specifically signed 'don't endorse section' are classified as minuses (again, not counting Piotrs or Ghirla's). As they affect only number of votes, and all support me only, I decided not to count them.
6. ) Some individuals who supported neutral and one or both sides may be counted multiply times
7. ) Individual count is likely more relevant, as voting count can be inflated by more active users who simply return to sign new views.
8. ) Thus I decided to calculate totals for 'individuals supporting Piotrus', 'individuals supporting Ghirla' and 'neutral individuals'. If a user voted more then once in support of a given group, this was reduced to one vote (per 7) to eliminate bias for more active voters. Some users may belong to more then one group (per 6); that's ok - their vote will just give 'half strenght' to each of the two sides (and if a user would support all three groups, then his vote is averaged out and simply has no effect on percentages).

Exceptions to the above rules:

1. ) I count Biruitorul outside view as neutral despite Ghirla's objection, as I think it fits neutral definition above
2. ) I count Raul as support of myself despite Ghirla's endorsement of it;
3. ) I count Yannismarou view as another one which supports myself, as Ghirla supporting it contradicts himself.

For statiscs will be shown, with and without exceptions, and with and without minuses. With exceptions counts Raul and Yanni's as supporting me, and Biru as neutral.

Ghirla support (i.e. Ghirla is mostly innocent, it's mostly Piotrus fault):

1. ) Ghirla statement: MK + Mikka + JzG = 3
2. ) Inside by MK: Dr. Dan = 2
3. ) Calgacus outside: Dr. Dan + Catchpole + Giano + Matthead = 5
4. ) Mikka: JzG + Dr. Dan + MK + Errabee = 5 - Contanz + Lysy + Beau + Apple + KP + Darw + RdH + log + Olessi = 5 - 9 = -4
5. ) Errabee: Giano =2 - Apple + log = 2 - 2 = 0
6. ) Matthead: = 1

This section is not affected by 'exceptions'.

With minuses: 7

W/out minuses: 18

Individuals: 8 (18 votes) - MK (3 votes), Mikka (2), JzG (2), Dr. Dan (3), Calgacus (1), Catchpole (1), Giano (2), Matthead (2), Errabee (2)

Indivuduals who signed this section only: 4 (MK, Catchpole, Mikka, Giano)

Individuals who signed posts in this section twice as much as in others: 2 (JzG, Dr. Dan)

Piotrus support (i.e. Piotrus is mostly innocent, it's mostly Ghirla's fault): :

1. ) Piotrus statement: Darw + Bea + KL + Apple + Fol + Balc + KP + Tank + log = 9
2. ) Ideogram outside: Good + Lysy + Apple + KP + log + Bea + Stifle = 8
3. ) K. Last: Bea + Const + Mieciu + Lysy + KP + log + Olessi = 8
4. ) Biruitorul: KL + Fol + Ist + Dahn + Bea + Lysy + Olessi + Stifle + Ch73= 10
5. ) Raul outside (addressed only several of raised issue): Balcer, Bea, log, RDH = 5
6. ) Yannismarou outside: Apple + Dr.Dan + RdH = 4

This section is not affected by 'minuses'.

Individuals w/out exceptions (+B, -R, -Y): 20 (34 votes) Darw (1), Bea (3), KL (3), Apple (2), Fol (2), Balc (1), KP (3), Tank (1), log (3), Ideo (1), Good (1), Lysy (3), Stifle (2), Const (1), Mieciu (1), Olessi (2), Biru (1), Ist (1), Dahn (1), Ch73 (1)

Individuals w/exceptions (-B, +R, +Y): 20 (33 votes) - Darw (1), Bea (3), KL (2), Apple (3), Fol (1), Balc (2), KP (3), Tank (1), log (4), Ideo (1), Good (1), Lysy (2), Stifle (1), Const (1), Mieciu (1), Olessi (1), Raul (1), RdH (2), Yanni (1), Dr. Dan (1)

Individuals who signed this section w/exceptions only: 4 (Darw, KP, Tank, Mieciu)

Individuals who signed posts in this section twice as much as in others: 1 (Apple)

Neutral (i.e. more or less, both sides are at fault italic indicates exception-affected statements):

1. ) Elaragirl: Calg + Good + Add + Yand + More + KL + Dec + Shell + Anti + Hipo + Ch73= 12
2. ) Biruitorul: KL + Fol + Ist + Dahn + Bea + Lysy + Olessi + Stifle + Ch73= 10
3. ) Kusma: JzG + Angus + RdH = 4
4. ) Raul outside (addressed only several of raised issue): Balcer, Bea, log, RDH = 5
5. ) Yannismarou outside: Apple + Dr.Dan + RdH = 4
6. ) RdH outside: KL + JzG + Kusma + Olessi + Ch73 = 6
7. ) István: RdH + KL = 2

This section is not affected by 'minuses'.

Individuals w/out exceptions (-B, +R, +Y): 25 (33 votes) - Elaragirl (1), Calg (1), Good (1), Add (1), Yand (1), More (1), KL (3), Dec (1), Shell (1), Anti (1), Hipo (1), Ch73 (2), Kusma (2), JzG (2), Angus (1), RdH (4), Olessi (1), Ist (1), Raul (1), Balc (1), Bea (1), log (1), Yanni (1), Apple (1), Dr. Dan (1)

Individuals w/exceptions (+B, -R, -Y): 24 (37 votes) - Elaragirl (1), Calg (1), Good (1), Add (1), Yand (1), More (1), KL (4), Dec (1), Shell (1), Anti (1), Hipo (1), Ch73 (3), Kusma (2), JzG (2), Angus (1), RdH (3), Olessi (2), Ist (2), Bitu (1), Fol (1), Dahn (1), Bea (1), Lysy (1), Stifle (1)

Summary: 38 separate individuals. 53 sepearate votes w/out exceptions, 52 w/ exceptions.

Without exceptions: Ghirla-8 (15%) Piotrus-20 (37,7%) neutral-25 (47,1%)

With exceptions: Ghirla-8 (15,3%) Piotrus-20 (38,5%) neutral-24 (46,2%)

Solutions

• Piotrus is desysoped/resigns

Proposed by: Ghirla

Supported by: M.K., Mikka, Dr. Dan, Errabee (endorses Mikka's but notes is unsure of that in her own outside view). JzG who endorses Ghirla's summary objects to desysping, that's 4 people not counting Ghirla.

Opposed by: Piotrus, JzG, Kusma, Angus, R.D.H. (who endorse Kusma opposition to my desysoping), Yannismarou, Dahn, plus preasumably all who support my view (that's about 13 more people, i.e. about 19 who object to desyspoing not ocunting myself)

Note: 80% of those who spoke on the matter rejects the idea of desyspoing myself - thank you for that vote of confidence.

• don't edit articles realted to each other's nationality

Proposed by: Elaragirl

Supported by: JzG

Opposed by: Piotrus, Balcer

• stick to policies and guidelines

Proposed by: Beaumont, Piotrus

Supported by:

Opposed by:

RfC

DD

March'07

• invoking the infamous WP:DICK
• are you trying out for an audition for a comedy act?
• refering to people complaining about his incivility as 'whining'
• lumping together "Polish editors" and critiquing their contributions to Wikipedia
• reffering to actions of Polish editors on Wikipedia as Polish propaganda
• Nota about being incivil on his talk page

Feb:

• It would give me great pleasure to not play games with you, and to ignore you completely. (...) You're incapable of answering simple questions, and are discourteous as well.
• Another warning about being incivil on his talk page
• Refusal to participate in a mediation

January and earlier:

• RFI from Jan'07 that resulted in a 24h block for incivility with examples
• Since I like you, I won't ask you if you are too lazy to look in a dictionary, or suggest that you might not have decent libaries where you live.
• Let me warn you back. You are not special. You are not a Proconsul. You are not the Grand Inquisitor. You are not a minor politruk out of the Katowice woj.'s former local PZPR. You are forever threating and warning people as if you have some unique privilege to do so. (...). Loosen your żupan collar and quit making veiled threats.
• refers to a question about above post being incivil as 'an attempt to censor me'. Further, accusses his opponents of 'adding, reverting, or deleting information', 'a series of veiled threats and warnings to myself and others, with an almost gloating and smug-like quality to his having engineered my 24 hour block'. Refers to an editor 'His inability to work with people without this constant need to censor and block people' and 'Would it be uncivil to ask him to grow up?'

LK

MK